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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:26 pm

what kind of contract does yadier molina have jj?
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:40 am

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Ellsbury is a Effing Traitor, 7 yrs 142 million with the Stankees, boo this man! 36 
I didn't think they would sign him, and there is another ridiculous contract that will be a waste of money and hurt them in 3 years, he isn't worth 20+ million a year and certainly not for 7 years.

The sox will survive, they now have a centerfielder who is ,at this point, 75% of ellsbury, for about 2% of the cost.

I imagine he will get booed at Fenway

I wonder who will sign cano, Texas?? Seattle?
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:09 am

so many moves yesterday

on a much smaller scale we traded our backup catcher for a pitcher, signed another backup catcher


The Yanks are not going under the luxury threshold anytime soon. They'll be in trouble if the league doesn't get rid of ARod for them.

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:10 am

@iwantmycrayons wrote:
@Ez wrote:
Ellsbury is a Effing Traitor, 7 yrs 142 million with the Stankees, boo this man! 36 
I didn't think they would sign him, and there is another ridiculous contract that will be a waste of money and hurt them in 3 years, he isn't worth 20+ million a year and certainly not for 7 years.

  The sox will survive, they now have a centerfielder who is ,at this point, 75% of ellsbury, for about 2% of the cost.

I imagine he will get booed at Fenway

I wonder who will sign cano, Texas?? Seattle?
I bet the Yankees still sign him.
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:17 am

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@iwantmycrayons wrote:
@Ez wrote:
Ellsbury is a Effing Traitor, 7 yrs 142 million with the Stankees, boo this man! 36 
I didn't think they would sign him, and there is another ridiculous contract that will be a waste of money and hurt them in 3 years, he isn't worth 20+ million a year and certainly not for 7 years.

  The sox will survive, they now have a centerfielder who is ,at this point, 75% of ellsbury, for about 2% of the cost.

I imagine he will get booed at Fenway

I wonder who will sign cano, Texas?? Seattle?
I bet the Yankees still sign him.  
yeah they probably will, this may have been a move just to give them a stronger position to deal from.

They are the only ones dumb enough to give him 7-8 years and over 200 million....well besides maybe the Dodgers but they won't do that.

If they do it will be fn to watch them in a few more years complaining about how much money they are paying for players that aren't performin, as in a couple of years they will still be paying for Arod, texeira, and Cc on top of Mcann, ellsbury and cano if he re-signs
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:32 am

while I'd love to see those players in red pinstripes, I'm glad we're not signing them. Those big contracts really limit what you can do later. And we have seen first hand that signing an older player at that rate can criple you if he can't play (Howard).

I'm not complaining about signing Hamels or even Lee - those two can earn their keep if the offense can support them a little.

I do find it exciting to watch the younger guys come up and play though.
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:35 am

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while I'd love to see those players in red pinstripes, I'm glad we're not signing them.  Those big contracts really limit what you can do later.  And we have seen first hand that signing an older player at that rate can criple you if he can't play (Howard).

I'm not complaining about signing Hamels or even Lee - those two can earn their keep if the offense can support them a little.

I do find it exciting to watch the younger guys come up and play though.  
if the teams do it right, which the Red Sox are trying to do, you keep your prospects, plug in a free agent or two and keep the contracts shorter, even if you over pay.

I would have had no problem with the Sox payin ells 20 million a year for 5 years max, it's the 7-8 year contracts that can ruin a team and they become nearly untradeable after you sign them
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:44 am

I imagine Ells will be cheered the first time he is introduced, and booed everytime afterwards, The Yanks way overpaid for a player who will spend the majority of his time on the D.L.

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:59 am

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I imagine Ells will be cheered the first time he is introduced, and booed everytime afterwards, The Yanks way overpaid for a player who will spend the majority of his time on the D.L.
maybe, maybe not as far as the DL, but they overpaid and extended it for too many years, he's a15-18 million a year guy.

also the Yankees really don't have much of a pitching staff at the moment, i am sure they will sign someone, but there really aren't any big name top of the rotation guys out there to pick from, so they will have to trade even more of whatever prospects they have left to try and pick somebody up.

The sox pitching is strong, and they have plenty of young players in the minors, including pitchers to be competitive for the next few years.


I would like to see what JBJr has to offer, he was under a to of pressure to keep up his otherworldly spring training last season
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:07 am

I think the Sox will be fine, I do wish they would have kept Salty, hopefully they can resign Napoli

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:08 am

Also, Ells will be 31 when the season starts, he has 1, maybe 2 more elite seasons left in him I think

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:12 am

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@blondie wrote:
while I'd love to see those players in red pinstripes, I'm glad we're not signing them.  Those big contracts really limit what you can do later.  And we have seen first hand that signing an older player at that rate can criple you if he can't play (Howard).

I'm not complaining about signing Hamels or even Lee - those two can earn their keep if the offense can support them a little.

I do find it exciting to watch the younger guys come up and play though.  
if the teams do it right, which the Red Sox are trying to do, you keep your prospects, plug in a free agent or two and keep the contracts shorter, even if you over pay.

I would have had no problem with the Sox payin ells 20 million a year for 5 years max, it's the 7-8 year contracts that can ruin a team and they become nearly untradeable after you sign them

we have a couple more losing seasons to go before we have any good prospects again.

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:58 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:24 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:28 pm

sounds like Seattle is making a run at Cano

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:08 am

@blondie wrote:
sounds like Seattle is making a run at Cano


done

$240 million for 10 years

I'm sure it'll work out for them

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:21 am

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@blondie wrote:
sounds like Seattle is making a run at Cano

done

$240 million for 10 years

I'm sure it'll work out for them

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:26 am

If you were going to wildly overpay for someone, i would have paid cano before i paid ellsbury, just seems stupid that the gave ells 153 million ( which is wildly overpaying for him) but cano, clearly a better overall player than ells, with no injury past and a homegrown talent only was offered 170 million. ? 


on the plus side, now on top of at least 2 frontline pitchers and an entire bullpen, the yankees need a second baseman who can carry the team with HR's and hits while playing stellar defense.


Good luck with that Stankees
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:28 am

Cano is 31 years old

He's going to be a $24 mil/year DH

How much does Papi make as a DH?
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:29 am

@iwantmycrayons wrote:
If you were going to wildly overpay for someone, i would have paid cano before i paid ellsbury, just seems stupid that the gave ells 153 million ( which is wildly overpaying for him) but cano, clearly a better overall player than ells, with no injury past and a homegrown talent only was offered 170 million. ? 


on the plus side, now on top of at least 2 frontline pitchers and an entire bullpen, the yankees need a second baseman who can carry the team with HR's and hits while playing stellar defense.


 Good luck with that Stankees
they will probably need a 3B as well, you know they're hoping to be done with Arod.
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:41 am

@iwantmycrayons wrote:
@blondie wrote:
@blondie wrote:
sounds like Seattle is making a run at Cano

done

$240 million for 10 years

I'm sure it'll work out for them

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so dumb..when are clubs going to learn that the big years and big money thing never works out...especially for someone over 30 already...id never sign anyone to longer than 5 years...if they are over 30 id offer a lot of 3 year options with potential for a 4th and 5th year according to their performance...they could have got a few scrappy young players for less time to improve in different areas...wtf..this makes no sense..look how pujols is working out for the angels...and how soriano held us down forever...f that
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:44 am

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Cano is 31 years old

He's going to be a $24 mil/year DH

How much does Papi make as a DH?  
12 or 13 million, and he is the best DH ever.

I hope they extend his contract for another year or two, i don't care if he is 38, all he has done for the last 11 years is get up hit the ball, and go sit back down, he can do that when he's 40, let's see cano play second, when he's 40, or ells steal 50 bases when he's 38, never happen.

the reason papi can still hit is because it's all he does, the rigors of playing the field haven't aged his body
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:45 pm

I think Papi will be the first DH in the HOF

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:17 pm

@iwantmycrayons wrote:
@blondie wrote:
Cano is 31 years old

He's going to be a $24 mil/year DH

How much does Papi make as a DH?  
12 or 13 million, and he is the best DH ever.

I hope they extend his contract for another year or two, i don't care if he is 38, all he has done for the last 11 years is get up hit the ball, and go sit back down, he can do that when he's 40, let's see cano play second, when he's 40, or ells steal 50 bases when he's 38, never happen.

the reason papi can still hit is because it's all he does, the rigors of playing the field haven't aged his body

that's the point I was going to make.


The Yanks also lost Granderson. to the Mets :O that one really shocks me. 4 year, $60 million I think is the figure.

How is it that these .259 or under hitters are getting these contracts? Is that good now? That's about what Howard does when he's healthy.
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:19 pm

Mujica stepped up big time with Motte going down. He was our closer most of the season until August/September when he started shutting down. Then we went with Rosenthal. I really liked Mujica and he came through in a big way, we wouldn't have gotten to the playoffs without him. So treat him well. :x 
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:23 pm

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Mujica stepped up big time with Motte going down. He was our closer most of the season until August/September when he started shutting down. Then we went with Rosenthal. I really liked Mujica and he came through in a big way, we wouldn't have gotten to the playoffs without him. So treat him well. :x 
they will, he'll be an 8th inning guy i'm sure to start, with a real chance at the closer if uehara comes back down to earth, which i am kinda expecting.


he was a reasonbly priced reliever that looks like he throws alot of strikes, which should help our bullpen.


I'm sure he'll be treated well, he went from one team with a winning tradition to another, and should fit in pretty well
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:15 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:19 pm

And Beltran to the Stankees, looks like he will still be searching for that elusive ring.

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:22 pm

the yankees are looking quite dated....lost cano and granderson...and Mariano....i have a feeling theyre gonna be terrible...i think the A's are gonna be in it along with the redsox in the AL...
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:33 pm

They are in trouble, not to mention their pitching staff hasn't improved at all!

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:42 pm

yeah they havea million holes...the mariners and angels are screwed with all their dumb contracts...pujols, hamilton, cano etc...texas and fielder......redsox and A's are doing it all right i think..
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:15 pm

Yep, the Cubs are gonna build that way too, just be patient, Theo will get them there!

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:10 am

The Yankees have spent over $300 million so far. And they have too many DH's already.

This off season has been crazy so far. I'm surprised so many of the bigger guys signed already.
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:46 pm

@Ez wrote:
And Beltran to the Stankees, looks like he will still be searching for that elusive ring.
i was hoping he'd go to the Royals. Of course he's still searching for that ring, but I don't think the Yanks are the team that's gonna get him there....not next year anyway...
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:47 pm

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yeah they havea  million holes...the mariners and angels are screwed with all their dumb contracts...pujols, hamilton, cano etc...texas and fielder......redsox and A's are doing it all right i think..
I don't get why teams are still willing to give those ginormous contracts. Ridiculous.
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:59 pm

yea i like the royals..jus cuz i have family that lives there and i used to go to games when i was a youngster..i loved the waterfalls in the outfield ..seen bo jackson and george brett play!..wooo.. but yea..yanks arent winning shit for a while...even thou the cubs suck right now i love how theyve handled the off season's the past two years..not biting on huge contracts ..not signing over age players..establishing a lot of youth...
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:07 pm

If the Yanks were gonna throw that kind of money at someone they should have just kept Cano and let Ells sign elsewhere

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:29 am

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If the Yanks were gonna throw that kind of money at someone they should have just kept Cano and let Ells sign elsewhere
that's what I sdaid, I knew they were gonna throw money at every free agent out there, but not signing Cano and signing players that aren't as good to multi year over priced contracts is not the way to go

I can see signing a player to a multi year contract , like pedey, if he's the heart and soul of a team, even signing a few free agents to fill holes in an otherwise younger line up, but just trying to sign every free agent out there to build a team doesn't usually work too well.
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:14 am

apparently we're shopping Dom Brown, Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels.

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Not Hamels - that's like giving up on the next couple of years.

I'm not sure about Brown. On one hand this is the time to sell high on him. On the other, he's our lone source of power (until I see Howard hit a bomb that is). We also don't have anyone in our system to take his place, nor is there a lot out there on the market.

It wouldn't be trading season if Cliff wasn't mentioned coffee
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:19 pm

We'll take Hamels! tongue 

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:19 pm

Also, Mark Prior retired

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:31 pm

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We'll take Hamels! tongue 


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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:15 pm

In the lets give Red Sox nation a reason to laugh category, its starting to sound like the Phillies are DESPERATE to get rid of Papelbon; to the point of paying up to 50% of his remaining salary.

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:22 pm

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In the lets give Red Sox nation a reason to laugh category, its starting to sound like the Phillies are DESPERATE to get rid of Papelbon; to the point of paying up to 50% of his remaining salary.

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the Yankees need a closer don't they?? you could probably convince them to sign him for another 5 years and give him a raise, and give you part of his salary to take him
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:27 pm

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In the lets give Red Sox nation a reason to laugh category, its starting to sound like the Phillies are DESPERATE to get rid of Papelbon; to the point of paying up to 50% of his remaining salary.

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That's why they always gave him 1 yr deals in Boston. dunno 

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:34 pm

did they? He was good for you when he was there though, right?

I know when we signed him, it was between him and Madson (at least for us). Signing Madson would've been a bigger disaster as he hasn't pitched since he was with us.
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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:39 pm

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did they?  He was good for you when he was there though, right?  

I know when we signed him, it was between him and Madson (at least for us).  Signing Madson would've been a bigger disaster as he hasn't pitched since he was with us.
he was under team control until he signed with the Phillies, they didn't have to sign him to anything more than a year, and he made it known he was gonna go get as much money as the market would allow as soon as he could.

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PostSubject: Re: Trading Season   Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:39 pm

Yea, he signed 1 yr deals for like 2 or 3 seasons after his initial contract was up, he was great with the Sox until his last season.

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