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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:30 pm

He's got one, Peggy. And may have had another or maybe even two if Goodell hadn't punished one team for the "ransom" scandal that was widespread.

Hodge's question did put me in mind of checking in on Drew's career stats, and how they're looking these days. I knew he'd broken a few records recently, so i went to old trusty football-reference.com and here are some of the highlights i found:

All-time leader in Pass Attempts, Pass Completions, Completion Percentage, Completions/Game, Passing Yards/Game, and Total Passing Yards.

3rd in Total Offensive behind Peyton Manning and Brett Favre. He's about 100 points behind Farve, less than 600 behind Peyton, and about 5000 points ahead of Brady, who's 4th all-time.

Tied for 3rd with Favre in Game-Winning Drives at 43. Marino had 47, Peyton had 54. Brady is 5th, only one behind with 42.

4th all-time in Passer Rating at 97.3. 0.2 points behind Brady; Russell Wilson has 98.9 and Aaron Rodgers is at 103.7 (!!!)

11-time Pro Bowler and a Superbowl MVP.

It seems pretty clear that among active quarterbacks, Brady and Brees are men among boys. Brady definitely has a lot of championships, but you'd be lying if you said Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Dan Marino. Not that Brady's a Dilfer by any stretch, but Brees does have a slight edge in the numbers, and with a year less played, too. They're both awesome. I like my guy, and if you can't see why, Peggy Sawyer, then that's your loss. I have nothing bad to say about Brady though.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:04 pm

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Hodge, for what my homer opinion may be worth, i feel like Brees has passed Brett Farve on the great QB list. He's getting close to Unitas and Elway. JMO
HRD, this portion of this post begs the question...Who's on your list of Top-10 QBs?

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...Oh, and Hodge, on behalf of the New Orleans Saints, you're welcome. Thanks to their beating of the 'Skins, your 'Boys are only a half game out of first place behind a .500 team, instead of 1 1/2 back of a winning team. tongue
I know, and it's much appreciated. hai

I bet you can't name a worse Division than the NFC-East? See, I knew you couldn't! ?
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:06 pm

@His Royal Dorkness wrote:
He's got one, Peggy. And may have had another or maybe even two if Goodell hadn't punished one team for the "ransom" scandal that was widespread.

Some might argue that the reason he won that title was because of the ransom strategy Gregg Williams instilled that year; I credit it to a highly questionable PI penalty against MN in OT.

I don't deny Brees his stats; they are incontrovertible, and I hope to see him in the SB against Brady before either retires. I guess I'm a little prejudiced against Brees for taking Doug Flutie's spot away from him on the Chargers and not doing much in his place, and I also thought he pushed for a little too much when negotiations for the last CBA took place. He's a number machine, though. If he had a consistent defense behind him the Saints might be unstoppable. As it is, they are formidable. I picked them to take the NFC this year (not that my picks are all that reliable). We'll see.


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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:00 am

Lots of people have crap excuses why the Patriots shouldn't have won any titles since 2004, too, but crap excuses is all they are, just like blaming a championship on a bad call in OT. Some times the ball takes a funny bounce, some times a ref has a funny angle on a play (or an extra paycheck in his pocket) but it's all just part of the game, as are a thousand other unpredictable elements.

I personally don't think it's fair to count championships as a part of greatness, but then I grew up an Archie Manning fan. However, i also wouldn't count draft status against a player. I still think, and probably always will, of Brady as a modern day football equivalent of Lou Gehrig, which naturally casts Bledsoe as a modern-day Wally Pipp. It's not an apples-to-apples analogy, but i think it's as close as you'll find in the contemporary era.

I too would enjoy seeing the Pats and Saints in the SB. I still would've liked to see Archie's sons go head-to-head in it too, but each winning multiple championships and having HOF careers is a pretty nice consolation prize.

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Hodge, i'm going to pass on trying to name the 10 best qb's in league history. Maybe later i'll try for something slightly less challenging. I would remind you, however, that the defending Champions play in the NFC LEast, and that since that last post, those Champs have retaken a piece of the divisional lead with a 1/2 game lead on your beloved 'Boys and a "virtual tie" with the DC Racist Stereotypes.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:41 am

Archie Manning?? ugh.

Top 10: Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Peyton Manning, Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Brett Favre
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:01 pm

Man, those New York "football Giants" looked awful in last nights TNF.

Manning looks like a scared rabbit in the pocket. And, OBJ is blowing up on the sidelines again. Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:53 pm

I think whoever represents the nfc east (one team or more) will merely stumble in. Imo it's virtually the same for everyone else. Except the Rams who currently own the NFC. At least so far. They sputtered last season though. They seem like a better team this year. In the AFC there might be more competition for Kansas City's best record. We'll see how KC does in New England. If a KC win then they may be almost unstoppable. Of course however KC is a team that sputters in the second half of the season almost habitually.

But looking at a team like Philadelphia they might not have as good a season win-loss at last year but it's a team that might get hot around playoff time. Any team in the playoffs can stumble into a stellar game or conversely into a horrible game. Just ask the 49ers of the past. They did both.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:38 pm

@Hodgepodge wrote:
@His Royal Dorkness wrote:
Hodge, for what my homer opinion may be worth, i feel like Brees has passed Brett Farve on the great QB list. He's getting close to Unitas and Elway. JMO
HRD, this portion of this post begs the question...Who's on your list of Top-10 QBs?
Jeez, Hodge. Only ten? You just know a bunch of the true all-time greats will snubbed that way, but i'll give it a quick shot...

In no particular order, i think the ten best NFL QB's who played mostly in the superbowl era are....

Peyton Manning
John Elway
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Troy Aikman
Dan Marino
Brett Favre
Aaron Rodgers

Bart Starr may have won the first two Super Bowls, and Unitas won one too, but in my own mind at least, they belong to an earlier era and shouldn't really be compared directly with more recent QBs. So these, i think, are the true historical standouts from that earlier era:

Bart Starr
Johnny Unitas
Otto Graham
Y. A. Tittle
Sammy Baugh

Honorable mention in this category for Norm Van Brocklin.

Now, obviously some really good quarterbacks were left off the list. Warren Moon, Archie Manning, Kurt Warner, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton, Terry Bradshaw, and Roger Staubach, imo, are all QBs who were truly great, but didn't make my Top Ten list.

There are some active quarterbacks who might end up in there too, aside from the three i already listed (and btw i shouldn't have left Rodgers out of my "Brees and Brady are men among boys" comment, my bad). Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, and Ben Rothlisberger have all had pretty darned good careers so far, and any or even all of them (or maybe even none of them) could elbow their way onto the honorable mention or even Top Ten list. Eli may have a better than even chance at the HoF, and i'll agree that he deserves to be considered one of the elite QBs of his era, but i don't see a way for him to make my Top Ten, i wouldn't necessarily rule him out of my honorable mentions, but he's not there yet. Russell Wilson is still very young, if he has a long career and stays at top levels of productivity he has the potential to be one of the VERY best.

I could blather on at considerably more length, especially about more guys with less than ten years in the league yet, but probably most of you haven't read this far anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:48 pm

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Archie Manning?? ugh.

Top 10: Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Peyton Manning, Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Brett Favre
Your reaction to the mention of Hall-Of-Fame QB Archie Manning makes me wonder who you grew up rooting for. You come across as having far too strong a sense of history to be young enough to have grown up on Tom Brady, even though he has been playing a LONG time. Your top ten list even includes two guys who retired (as players, at least) well before the first Superbowl was even played.

Did you only become a Pats fan when they started winning? Because i'm easily old enough to remember when the Patriots were the worst team in the league, and it lasted a WHILE, capped by the sale of the team following a sexual harassment scandal in the locker room! So either you rooted for some schmuck a lot worse than Archie or you weren't a Pats fan growing up, unless you're a lot younger than i think.

The Saints had been the worst team in the league well before that. By that time the Saints were regularly posting at least 5 to 9 wins in a season. But i'd been rooting for them through the paper bag mask era. Because, you know, REAL fans stick by their team through thick and thin.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:16 am

@His Royal Dorkness wrote:
@Peggy Sawyer wrote:
Archie Manning?? ugh.

Top 10: Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Peyton Manning, Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Brett Favre
Your reaction to the mention of Hall-Of-Fame QB Archie Manning makes me wonder who you grew up rooting for. You come across as having far too strong a sense of history to be young enough to have grown up on Tom Brady, even though he has been playing a LONG time. Your top ten list even includes two guys who retired (as players, at least) well before the first Superbowl was even played.

Did you only become a Pats fan when they started winning? Because i'm easily old enough to remember when the Patriots were the worst team in the league, and it lasted a WHILE, capped by the sale of the team following a sexual harassment scandal in the locker room! So either you rooted for some schmuck a lot worse than Archie or you weren't a Pats fan growing up, unless you're a lot younger than i think.

The Saints had been the worst team in the league well before that. By that time the Saints were regularly posting at least 5 to 9 wins in a season. But i'd been rooting for them through the paper bag mask era. Because, you know, REAL fans stick by their team through thick and thin.

I'm Hodge's age (wheeze). And yes, I rooted for the Pats (among other teams) before they were what they are today. But rooting for someone and considering that person a great player are two different things. I may have rooted for Steve Grogan and Drew Bledsoe, but I wouldn't put them in the HOF (though they are both in the Pats HOF). I don't think Archie is HOF material either. He sired Peyton and Eli (and Cooper) which may qualify him, but when I think of his career, I remember the "Aints" and the brown bags (and, to be fair, a couple of good seasons statistically--he did not have much of a supporting cast).

I can appreciate your fandom, Mo; I have had a lifelong love for some teams in other sports (the Mariners, for instance) who've probably lost at a ratio higher than the Pats have won at. I'm a student of the history of the game, so I greatly appreciate players like Baugh, Graham, Tittle, et al, who played when defense was king. I recognize the Saints ascendency, but they haven't won me over yet. I do hope to see a Brady-Brees showdown in the SB, but for that to happen Sean Payton will need to find a better DC than Dennis Allen, Rob Ryan, or Gregg Williams. (Or maybe the Saints should hire a better HC.)

Now, to speak of my game last night, I think it lived up to its hype. I trust everyone saw it through, including you Hodge, who picked KC? I won the pick 'ems by one over you this week, Hodge (pending Monday) because you picked a rookie starting QB to beat the Pats at Gillette (a scenario that's resulted in a win for the rookie something like once out of the last 80+ such games). I'll grant the Cowboys had a bigger margin of victory in their game, but NE took out an undefeated team as time expired, and that's better. Exciting to see a healthy team with a lot of weapons hitting its stride just before a three-game road trip. Loving me some Gronk, Gordon, Edelman, Hogan, Hightower, White and Michel today.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:30 pm

Hell, i'm a grandparent now, and there's another on the way already.

That was a fine post overall and i appreciate your fandom as well. All i can say is that Archie Manning played on terrible teams and he IS in the Hall (enshrined in Canton) whether you like it or not. pfft I've never actually checked but i bet he has the lowest winning percentage of any HOF QB. Hey, does Brett Favre still hold the all-time INT record?

Mrs. Mo and i both stayed up to watch that game. It was a great one. I'd even say it exceeded its hype, because no matter how hyped anything is in this day and age, hype can still only be hype, and that game was better.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:01 pm

Oh Zaphod, the Broncos have to have tonight's game. They can't let the Chiefs just steamroll the AFC-East.
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PostSubject: Re: NFL 2018   Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:08 pm

SOMEBODY GET HODGE A COMPASS AND QUICK!
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